HDD nou

LNT · Apr 4, 2013

Ma uit dupa doua hdd-uri noi, probabil de 3TB fiecare. Vor fi puse in HTPC, deci vor fi up&running 24/7.
Am gasit asa:
Western Digital Red 3000GB SATA3 64MB 5400RPM - cica ar fi indicate pentru HTPC si rulare non-stop. Oare? Avantaj: 5400RPM, desi nu prea conteaza viteza, ca oricum zbarnaie si nu dorm cu sistemul in camera, plus garantie mai mare decat alte modele.
Toshiba 3000GB SATA3 64MB 7200RPM - nimic special
Seagate Baracuda - cu sau fara XT, iarasi nimic special.

Ar mai fi WD Black, aici chiar nu stiu daca merita diferenta de pret si nici daca intr-adevar RED-urile ar avea ceva in plus pentru HTPC dupa cum spune producatorul si aia nu e doar marketing.
Idei? Sugestii? Citind review-uri m-as orienta parca spre modele diferite, Toshiba si WD Red, macar poate pica unul singur in caz de ceva. Ideea ar fi sa iau doua identice ca spatiu, unul stocare si unul mirroring.

maxu · Apr 4, 2013

Trebuie musai sa stea in PC? Adica nu se poate sa fie intr-un enclosure USB 3.0, alimentat extern?

Si pornit la nevoie...
Intreb, nu stiu

LNT · Apr 4, 2013

Da, vor sta in pc si accesate la nevoie, local sau remote.

Thor · Apr 4, 2013

Parca unele serii de Seagate-uri dadeau in primire destul de des.

WD Red + Toshiba pare combinatia castigatoare. WD Black e cu aproape 50% mai scump decat varianta Red. Ai 2 ani garantie in plus, dar diferenta e prea mare.

lauru'_balauru' · Apr 4, 2013

RED-urile erau facute sa functioneze fara probleme in RAID, avand TLER enabled din fabrica (la seriile noi de la WD nu se mai poate activa cu utilitarul WD mai vechi) - asta evita in principiu sa iti sara discurile din matrice fara sa fie busite cu adevarat.

Daca in respectivul HTPC nu folosesi RAID (si ma indoiesc profund ca vrei sa o faci) atunci orienteaza-te la cel mai ieftin, eventual din seria "video storage" gen Seagate SV35 sau similar.

L · Apr 5, 2013

Mai stie cineva care-s diferentele dintre HDD-urile "A/V" si cele normale? Producatorii nu mai zic nimic.

miahi · Apr 5, 2013

Din câte am înțeles eu (fără vreo documentație clară), au implementate niște funcții pentru ajutat la streaming, atât la citire cât și la scriere. Cea mai importantă e garantarea timpului de execuție pentru o operație (cam același lucru cu TLER, dar mai agresivă; la RED-uri TLER e activ doar la citire). Asta nu se face foarte complicat, cu cache-uri care să țină datele până reușesc scrierile, ci mult mai simplu: dacă operația durează mai mult decât normal (ex: nu poate să citească și ar trebui să mai încerce o dată) HDD-ul îți întoarce imediat datele pe care a putut să le citească, fără vreun mesaj de eroare, și continuă mai departe. Asta înseamnă că poți avea pierderi de date fără să-ți dai seama (tu vrei să scrii 010101010, el scrie 0101 și i se termină timpul, nu mai scrie și restul, trece la operația următoare fără să-ți dea eroare). La video chestia asta nu e extraordinar de gravă, pentru că îți apar doar ceva artefacte, dar dacă ții altceva pe hdd-ul ăla și-l folosești intensiv e posibil să intri în timeouts când citești/scrii orice.

Eu am două HDD-uri WD AV-GP, le-am folosit doar în RAID1 și n-am avut probleme până acum.

jarod · Apr 5, 2013

Eu am aşa:
- Western Digital Caviar Black 750GB

Code:

user@nas:~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
[sudo] password for user: 
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [x86_64-linux-3.2.0-39-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, [url]http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net[/url]

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Western Digital Caviar Black
Device Model:     WDC WD7501AALS-00E8B0
Serial Number:    WD-WMATV1780373
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 0014c04ba
Firmware Version: 05.00K05
User Capacity:    750,156,374,016 bytes [750 GB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
Local Time is:    Fri Apr  5 09:28:14 2013 EEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x84)	Offline data collection activity
					was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(18600) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					Conveyance Self-test supported.
					Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
					power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 214) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x303f)	SCT Status supported.
					SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
					SCT Feature Control supported.
					SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   253   222   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       1166
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       953
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   075   075   000    Old_age   Always       -       18276
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       800
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       54
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       898
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   111   098   000    Old_age   Always       -       39
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18273         -
# 2  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18249         -
# 3  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18226         -
# 4  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18202         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18178         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18154         -
# 7  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     18135         -
# 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18108         -
# 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18084         -
#10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18060         -
#11  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18036         -
#12  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     18012         -
#13  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     17988         -
#14  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     17972         -
#15  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     17944         -
#16  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     17920         -
#17  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     17896         -
#18  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     17875         -
#19  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     17851         -
#20  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     17827         -
#21  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     17806         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

- Seagate Barracuda Green (Adv. Format) - 2TB

Code:

user@nas:~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [x86_64-linux-3.2.0-39-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Barracuda Green (Adv. Format)
Device Model:     ST2000DL003-9VT166
Serial Number:    6YD0JZ14
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 037226ac2
Firmware Version: CC32
User Capacity:    2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 4
Local Time is:    Fri Apr  5 09:29:43 2013 EEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82)	Offline data collection activity
					was completed without error.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(  612) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					Conveyance Self-test supported.
					Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
					power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 255) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x30b7)	SCT Status supported.
					SCT Feature Control supported.
					SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   115   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       84080792
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   093   092   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       43
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   036    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   075   061   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       30190197
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   086   086   000    Old_age   Always       -       12444
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       43
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       5
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   056   044   045    Old_age   Always   In_the_past 44 (0 14 47 35)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       21
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       44
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   044   056   000    Old_age   Always       -       44 (0 21 0 0)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   024   009   000    Old_age   Always       -       84080792
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       259952895602848
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       2135857908
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       408547764

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12442         -
# 2  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12418         -
# 3  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12394         -
# 4  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12370         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12346         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12322         -
# 7  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     12304         -
# 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12275         -
# 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12251         -
#10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12227         -
#11  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12203         -
#12  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12179         -
#13  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12155         -
#14  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     12142         -
#15  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12111         -
#16  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12087         -
#17  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12063         -
#18  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12042         -
#19  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     12018         -
#20  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     11994         -
#21  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     11978         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

- SAMSUNG SpinPoint F2 EG 1.5TB

Code:

user@nas:~$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdc
smartctl 5.41 2011-06-09 r3365 [x86_64-linux-3.2.0-39-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, [url]http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net[/url]

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     SAMSUNG SpinPoint F2 EG
Device Model:     SAMSUNG HD154UI
Serial Number:    S1XWJ90SC11798
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0024e9 2018a5743
Firmware Version: 1AG01118
User Capacity:    1,500,301,910,016 bytes [1.50 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ATA-8-ACS revision 3b
Local Time is:    Fri Apr  5 09:30:37 2013 EEST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x00)	Offline data collection activity
					was never started.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(19242) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					Conveyance Self-test supported.
					Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
					power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 255) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 (  34) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x003f)	SCT Status supported.
					SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
					SCT Feature Control supported.
					SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   100   100   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   072   072   011    Pre-fail  Always       -       9310
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   098   098   000    Old_age   Always       -       2139
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   099   099   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       44
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0025   100   100   015    Pre-fail  Offline      -       10618
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   095   095   000    Old_age   Always       -       24740
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0033   100   100   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       99
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       70
 13 Read_Soft_Error_Rate    0x000e   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0033   099   099   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       1
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   068   047   000    Old_age   Always       -       32 (Min/Max 25/37)
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   067   046   000    Old_age   Always       -       33 (Min/Max 25/38)
195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered  0x001a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       261866050
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x000a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
201 Soft_Read_Error_Rate    0x000a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24738         -
# 2  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24714         -
# 3  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24690         -
# 4  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24666         -
# 5  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24642         -
# 6  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24618         -
# 7  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     24600         -
# 8  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24571         -
# 9  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24547         -
#10  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24523         -
#11  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24499         -
#12  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24475         -
#13  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24451         -
#14  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     24437         -
#15  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24407         -
#16  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24383         -
#17  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24359         -
#18  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24338         -
#19  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24314         -
#20  Short offline       Completed without error       00%     24290         -
#21  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%     24272         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

Power-on hours par legit, desi Seagate-ul ăla de 2TB pare mai vechi (l-am luat chiar înainte să crească preţurile - parcă a trecut mai mult de un an jumate de atunci). Calculatorul care le găzduieşte e up 24/7.

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